Saturday, January 16, 2010

Did gun control play a factor in the V-Tech tragedy?

I don't mean they whack job that bought the gun, I mean the laws that prevent law abding people (faculty, staff, and students) from carrying concealed weapons. If one other person had a legal gun, would 31 people be dead today?Did gun control play a factor in the V-Tech tragedy?
Going with your amazing premise that students should attend classes with their guns in a holster.


Today you would have had less deaths, but you would have had one student who was being feted for killing a man.


Police departments have recognized that this is a very difficult thing even for men and women who know that this is part of the job and offer time off and psychiatric help.


What happens to the unsuspecting student hero when the shouting stops?


Allowing guns in the emotional, tension fraught years of college where breakups, grades, age, all play a part in depression and suicidal feelings, would be quite dangerous in its own way. Who in fact is to say that everyone wearing that gun is sane, or responsible, is it possible that you could have saved those 31 lives, and eventually lost even more?Did gun control play a factor in the V-Tech tragedy?
12 times as many violent crimes are PREVENTED by armed citizens than by the police, because the police are there after the fact usually, not when the crime is happening, so yes.


if only one of those students had been armed, the tragedy might have been averted. it is so sad.
Virginia House Bill 1572 was proposed in 2005 by Shenandoah County, Va., Republican Del. Todd Gilbert after a VA Tech student with a state-issued concealed handgun permit was arrested and charged only with ';unlawfully'; carrying a handgun on campus. The bill would have prohibited state universities in Virginia from enacting ';rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun.';





After the proposal died in the state's House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety, The Roanoke Times quoted VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker as celebrating the defeat of the bill.





';I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions,'; Hincker said on Jan. 31, 2006, ';because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.';
you dont see this kind of thing on military academies.
Yes of course.
I totaly agree
I do not think it's a gun control issue.





I think that it's because of a failing mental health system in this country.





There isn't enough access to mental health care professionals for the majority of society. Even if there were, this country has such a stigma against anyone who seeks help. If you go see a doctor to deal with stress, anger, or depression then you get lumped in with the ';crazies'; the sociopaths and such. People who do things like this clearly have some kind of mental health issues. In this case, they specifically stated he was on medication for depression. However, they never mentioned if he was also regularly seeing a psychologist or other counselor for therapy sessions. Medication IS NOT a quick fix for any mental illness. There are many other aspects required to effectively treat depression (and other problems).
No, it didn't play a factor, and please define law abiding people. Aren't all people law abiding, until they break the law?.
I've been making this same point since this happened. One person legally carrying a concealed weapon could have lessened the death toll considerably by dropping this dirtbag.


The original 4 shootings at 7:15 am which resulted in 2 deaths might not have been prevented, but they might have been stopped thereby saving an additional 43 people being shot resulting in 30 more deaths.


Note: I'm not counting the gunman in the toll. He doesn't deserve to be included in the numbers with decent people.
If someone really wants to kill people they will always find a way to do it. Arming the students would very likely end up doing more harm than good, however the faculty should have that right I think.
Let me be blunt.





Cho = wolf un affected by PC liberal anti-gun nonsense





Victims = Sheep bred for slaughter due to anti-gun liberal indoctrination.
Yes it did... IT FAILED THOSE 32 GOOD PEOPLE WHO WERE SLAUGHTERED.





V-Tech enforces a no weapon policy. Because of that, people, like myself who attend a similar school, and have concealled weapons permits, obey the ruled and did not carry. The ONLY person who was carrying was the person who was planning to murder and didn't care what laws or rules he broke.





Now, you cannot tell me that if there were two or three people in the vicinity who were legally carrying, they would not have been able to neutralize the threat and save at least some lives. I WOULD IN A HEARTBEAT.





You also can't tell me that if guns were better controlled, these problems would dissapear...


Yesterday, Japan, the mayor of NAgasaki was shot by a gang member. Guns have been banned in Japan for many years. Gun crime is still common with gangs and other criminals, yet the honest citizens are defenseless.





AND... how is a national registration of handguns going to stop crime???? They already do the checks, but how is the government being able to see who owns what guns, going to even deter crime??
Gun control played a HUGE factor.





Cho was able to kill until HE got tired of it. Gun control was a big help for Cho. He couldn't have done it, without gun control laws.





Gun control is very supportive of the criminal population.


It allows criminals to perform their tasks in relative safety.





I know, if I was a criminal, I would want the population unarmed. Who the hell wants to get shot at, while you're shooting people? I know I wouldn't.





Gun control works. (It just works for the wrong people.)
Hell, what if everyone in VT had a gun. The ultimate form of social control. If he had run into a class with 30+ gunmen all armed, I doubt so many would have been killed. Thats what I say, everyone has a gun.
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