Monday, January 18, 2010

Did the VA Tech massacre change your view on gun control?

Why or why not? And if it did, how so?





~Morg~Did the VA Tech massacre change your view on gun control?
No it didn't. I've always thought that laws against guns, like the one banning guns on campus at V.T., only have the effect of rendering good people defenseless. Criminals will always have access to weapons. The only way to stop someone who wants to kill lots of people and who isn't interested in his own safety is to render him physically unable to continue. Usually this means killing him or injuring him severely (like in the mall this year in Utah). Not nice to think about, but better than the alternative which is the bad guy having free reign among defensless people until he gets tired, runs out of ammunition, or the police stop hiding behind walls and cars and enter the building.





I agree with Thomas Jefferson (quoting Cesare Beccaria): ';Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.';Did the VA Tech massacre change your view on gun control?
Yes felons and people that have mental problems should not be allowed to purchase.
It only reaffirmed my feelings on gun control. The massacre occurred in a ';gun free'; zone. In fact, virtually every mass shooting that has occurred in America has occurred in a ';gun free'; area. A disarmed populace is a vulnerable populace, because the bad guys will find a way to get guns.
No.
No. Have always supported our right to bear arms, and always will. Banning alcohol did nothing to stop people from drinking, and banning guns will not prevent people from shooting each other.
No.





It's like abortions and prohibition: when they were illegal, people drank and had abortions anyway.





The difference is, when they were outlawed, it was much worse and more were harmed.





Who knows what will happen if guns are banned completely? Certainly, if anything, it will become more dangerous, not less.
guns dont kill people, people kill people.
No,the Va.Tech massacre did not change my mind on gun control. Even though I don't like guns and don't own one,I believe that American citizens have the right to own them.Maybe if someone had had a gun on them,they could have prevented so many deaths.
Nope!

What do you all think about the Virginia Tech shooting? Isn't about time that gun control gets a little?

bit more controlled in the USA?? DUH?? What is going to be next? This is AWFUL!!! Just awful and so senseless!?!?!?!?!What do you all think about the Virginia Tech shooting? Isn't about time that gun control gets a little?
Yes there should be gun control, then they should ban cars because they kill twice as many people as guns every year. Then they should ban Pens because president bush used one when he declared war that is killing thousands of people. then maybe we should ban sunlight because it can cause skin cancer. Then we should ban going outside in the heat because you could die from heat stroke., Then we should ban airplanes because they killed people on september 11th. you know what maybe they should ban eating because you can eat yourself to death.What do you all think about the Virginia Tech shooting? Isn't about time that gun control gets a little?
maybe it's time to hole PEOPLE accountable for their actions. that would be a nice change.
guess what? it's going to happen again and again and again -- gun control will make no difference -- don't you remember what Clinton did after the Columbine shootings -- he enacted gun control measures -- the shootings continued --
The thing is how will gun control stop mass murders like this? He was legal and had all 3 pieces of identification, there was no reason to suspect the guy was up to something... So far there hasn't been any indication that this guy was anything except ';ordinary';





I once heard an interview of the mother of the guy who killed the 13 Montreal students and they asked her if did he anything strange shortly before he went on the rampage to indicate to her something was wrong and she said the only thing he did out of character was insisted that she take the birthday present he bought her though her birthday was 2 months away. That interview was so interesting, she does so few interviews but she really made me reassess my original thoughts on what sort of person does this.





There is a lot of guns all over the world but none of those countries seem to have the problems of mass rampage killings like the US. I think one has to try and figure out why these mass murders are happening... why are people choosing to go on rampage, what is bringing them to this decision and what psychologically is happening to trigger this.





Taking the weapons away will not stop it from happening, you need to fix the people or society or whatever is triggering this.
Yes it is.


As long as bullets canot distinguish betwen children, inocent people and nice people from terrorists, asasins, and Bush, guns should be something really hard to put your hands on.





In response to other people in this question...


To protect yor family tou need one?


the news are that bullets do not distinguish your family, nor triggers child hands...


Also, I feel pity for your family if you can麓t protect them with your own hands.
Well, gun control laws should be evaluated - but our right to bear arms should not be taken away. I don't think that resident aliens with green cards, illegals, felons or sociopaths/psychopaths should be able to purchase a gun legally. But that doesn't stop people who want guns from trying to obtain them - by any means necessary.





I do think that requirements/criteria for obtaining a gun legally should be more stringent than they are - a deep, investigative background check shouldn't take 2 minutes...





I agree that the whole thing is senseless, but that doesn't mean that we should start tearing up the constitution.
Virginia Tech was a gun free zone! Not even a person licensed to carry a gun was allowed to carry it there! That is why Cho was able to kill so many people without being stopped!
Gun control.............. is a steady hand.





Until the criminals obey the laws, no amount of gun control will make a difference. Why don't all the sportsmen and sports shooters commit crimes?





From this and Columbine it sounds more like we should ban rich kids who bully.
Too early for that
There is a saying that states, ';If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws would have guns.'; I tend to think it is a true statement.


More people die every year due to automobile accidents than guns, yet no one ever cries for stricter regulation and laws concerning automobiles.


The maniac who killed those students at VT was homicidal, and guns were the tool he chose to use to perpetrate his violence and madness. If a gun had not been available he might have built a homemade bomb, and instead of 32 (33) being dead, we could've easily had several hundred dead. It would've been easy for him to do such as components and instructions can be found on the internet. But we don't hear anyone condemning the internet for killing anyone.


Guns are an easy scapegoat, and if you think about it, are a right that was given to the people in order to empower them agains tyrrany. Yet it is often government officials who are the most vocal about getting rid of them.


When Adoplh Hitler managed to get rid of firearms it didn't take him long to assume complete control over Germany.





So lets not blame the inanimate tool a psycho wack job chooses to use, lets blame the psycho wack job.
i think we should. simply today, at our college, we had to evacuate because our security office recieved a shooting threat
Gun control means only the criminals will have guns . It's more dangerous than it sounds..when a political party seeks to disarm Americans ..


If people paid a small amount of attention to some of the drugs being prescribed to our nations boys and young men - the multiple , needless death rate would drop %26amp; so would most of these mass shootings at schools' . .Drugs like Prozac, which have been proven to induce violence %26amp; suicide in certain emotionally disturbed cases; and certainly most - if not all those envolved in other school shootings . Judges ignore expert testimony to this evidence - time after time.. because that's where the big money is ..Political campaigns depend on them . It's an open and shut case - evidence is ignored ; lives are ruined and wasted - yet drugs like prozak are still behind much of this violence .. Evidence , so strong ..that once a person is introduced to these mind altering drugs ..and decides to stop them..the uncontrollable urge to commit suicide or murder is overwhelming . Jails and death row are full of people who placed trust in these drugs . Instead of help..they got horror . Yet , everybody asks , ';why'; ? What I want to know ..is why courts in this country place themselves above expert testimony ,and evidence - time after time ; example after example ; case after case ?? There are literally hundreds of case histories which attest to this .


JOHN D - That thumbs'; down ';should be ';up';..blame me talking on my cell ..sorry .
I think gun control need to be federally controlled if there were one set of laws across the board then all legal law abiding citizens could own weapons and local police chiefs wouldn't have the power to decide who gets to have a permit and who doesn't.And it is also ridiculous that a immigrant holding a green card can purchase a gun,it should be a right awarded to citizens only.Proud member of the NRA
Indeed - you may be correct. Australia introduced tougher gun laws, following the Port Arthur massacre in 1996. Gun-related deaths have *halved* in Australia, dropping to under 300 a year, in the last 10 years.





Read the article, if you wish:


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/0鈥?/a>


More recent stats are also available here: http://www.guncontrol.org.au/





Cheers...
There will be debate on the issue of gun control by both sides and it will pass in the history. The NRA will make statement at people kill people not guns.





In Virginia the killer was able to buy gun with little no problem or question asked. It is funny we have take test and prove we can drive car before we get license but not so to buy a gun.
You better get into bed or you'll be grounded
nobody would be for this. conservatives will be for the right to bear arms. liberals will be against the invasion of privacy. we all lose.
Yes it is horrible. By all means, lets pick up every gun in The United States. Then only nuts like the jackass shooter will find a means to obtain one. Most likely from the people who receive them.


Guns as a whole have not changed that much in the past 100 years. I can remember when a person was able to go into a hardware store and purchase a firearm. I bought one at age 12. By comparison there was not much crime. No mass shootings.


Now, I will ask, if guns have not changed and there is much more crime, including mass shootings, what has changed?


You got it. People have changed. Wall la The Liberal. The Saviors of the World. The rehabilitator of the born loosers.


The no discipline people. They enable the nuts to do their thing.


In my life time there have been several occasions when having a gun has prevented harm and possibly death to me and others. A bully has a healthy respect for the barrel of a .45 aimed at his head. If that does not do the trick a round about 5 inches over has never failed.


So you see if some degenerate conservative had been there on campus in close proximity, who had a gun and could use it wisely, the nut may have killed a couple but that's about it.
Gun control would help if criminals and psychopaths would obey it, which they won't.





Unfortunately, it will ultimately cause honest citizens to be unable to defend themselves or their loved ones.
The killer guy had turned in a paper to his english teacher that had prompted her to reccommend a counselor to him. He didn't go, and look where he is now! Listen to your teachers!!! I don't think gun control has anything to do with this. The mental health of a single person does.
Conservatives want looser gun control so more people can protect themselves from dangerous people with guns.





Liberals want tighter gun controls so no one can get guns.





Truth - dont use one example to define gun laws - look at the statistical evidence of deaths to gun control laws and see at what level does it lead to the least death rates.
just one word....unbelievable. gun control needs to get tougher. un4tunately, even tougher laws are not even enough.
No.





Why is it that law abiding citizens should start loosing their right to bear arms because 1 psycho goes on a shooting spree!





This is a terrible tragedy and I find it disgusting that barely 24 hours after the horrific events, people start blaming everything and everyone under the sun accept the person at fault.





The dead guy who pulled the trigger.





Yes. He obtained both weapons legally. He was a legal citizen, and passed a background check with flying colors. Both times. His only record was 2 speeding tickets.





But you HAVE to understand that a mad-man on a rampage will NOT be stopped by laws.





If he couldn't get a gun legally, he would have found a way to get one illegally. Or maybe found plans on how to make a gun, bomb or grenade off the Internet.

Does the Virginia Tech tragedy change your opinion on gun control?

I saw this poll on the myfoxla.com website and thought it was interesting.





I'm a little confused though---- Does gun control mean that we want more restrictions on who can get a gun or does it mean we want less restrictions?





Please answer the initial question and provide any information you can give me to clarify. Thank you!





----------------------Survey Taken from the MyFoxLA.com Website----------------------





Does the Virginia Tech tragedy change your opinion on gun control?





Poll Results:


Yes, we need increased gun control 7.33%


Yes, we need less gun control 77.15%


No, it doesn't change my opinion either way 15.52%


Total number of votes: 2714Does the Virginia Tech tragedy change your opinion on gun control?
I think the government should stop stepping in on gun control, because whatever they do there will still be a huge amount of guns already in our system. Nothing is going to stop guns from being sold to retards because retards always find a way. What the government needs to do is find the retards before they get their hands on guns and show um WHY THIS COUNTRY DONT **** AROUNDDoes the Virginia Tech tragedy change your opinion on gun control?
No, it is a state by state issue anyways.
No, because people will always be able to get guns no matter how you ban them. We need to get to the source of the problem. CRAZY PEOPLE who are let loose and ignored.
Gun control is an umbrella term used to discribe the level of restrictions on firearms.
No. My position didn't change. It's wrong to let your emotional response to a tragedy change your political philosophy.
gun control- always use two hands, breathe, sight in and use a slow steady squeeze. BAM the shot is fired and if you used good gun control you should hit what your aiming at.
Not much. That depends on which state you are talking about. California %26amp; NYC are too strict. but Vermont %26amp; Alaska are too lax.





It bothers me that a man who was determined to be ';a danger to himself or others'; was allowed to get a gun. There were warning signs going off all over the place that this guy was a ticking time-bomb. He should have not been able to get a gun so easily.





But I am in favor of safe, law-abiding citizens being allowed to carry a gun. If one of the teachers or other students had a gun, the death toll would be greatly reduced. http://www.gunownersalliance.com/hupp-10鈥?/a>
no we don't need gun control we need stronger rules on who can have them, the killer was crazy, he should have had a mental evaluation before he was even sold a gun or to even get a permit.
this situation is very upsetting, but no it does not change my opinion on gun controll. it dows however change my opinion on ';national security'; if the students would have been notified about the 1st shooting in a more effictive manner then there probably wouldn't have been as nearly many deaths.
no we need less gun control
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  • Do you think stricter gun control laws would have prevents the Virginia Tech tragedy?

    No. What could have helped prevent it is if VT allowed licensed concealed carry on campus. School regulations ensured that nobody on campus had the means to fight back.Do you think stricter gun control laws would have prevents the Virginia Tech tragedy?
    No. This young man was a legal citizen over the age of 21 without a record. He bought the gun over a month ago, so even when you factor in proposed wait times to purchase firearms he would have had plenty of time. Realistically I can't think of any other laws that could be created to curb this sort of incident.Do you think stricter gun control laws would have prevents the Virginia Tech tragedy?
    You give a disturbed person with a desire to kill long enough and he will find a way. What if the law limited how many rounds you can buy? He can stockpile. What if the law outlawed guns? Drugs are outlawed and how hard are they to find. Stricter gun laws may help slow down crimes of passion, but will not stop a determined killer with a plan.
    Maybe not...any sicko can come by a gun. Hey just drive on down to FLA...everyone there owns a gun %26amp; carries it, though I'm pretty sure it's not suppose be loaded. But then again who's checkin
    No. Profiling the troubled student with his violent anti-American writings would have. Or if the campus cops had guns as well. I said the same thing after the Columbine shooting. If someone else had a gun and used it the body count would not have been as high.
    would have to be courthouse strict...


    %26amp; we both know , nothing is 100 %...except...?


    you know that answer...
    no. cause he was determined to kill people. he would of gotten some guns some other way.
    maybe.... Do you have to give a reason for your buying a gun? And is there a waiting period. I think if there isn't there should be so that random hate crimes wouldn't happen as often. like oh im mad ill buy a gun and shoot you. I'm sorry sir you have to wait 3 days. oh. 3 days l8r...im calm now!
    thats okay I do that to sometimes, yes that place should of never sold that boy a gun, for what reason they did they were wrong. but they should have stricker gun controls. pretty soon we are all going to be afraid for our children when they are at school.
    tired of hearing about it
    No Guns don't kill people kill..
    No, just like I don't think stricter drug laws would prevent drug use, or outlawing knives would prevent stabbings. There are so many gun laws currently in place, and most crimes involving guns break the laws that are already in existence.





    Also, guns are just as accessible illegally as they are legally. If people are willing to break other laws (like committing murder), what makes you think that they aren't willing to buy a gun on the street and not in a store? The only people that gun control laws restrict are the ones already obeying the law.





    This was a tragic event inflicted by a deranged and disturbed individual who fantasized about violence incessantly. This man wasn't concerned with and wouldn't have been stopped by gun control laws, just like he wasn't concerned with laws against killing. It looks like it was a matter of time before he found a way to kill, no matter what that way would have been.
    I don't honestly think anything could have prevented that. It was just a matter of a sad, lonely, kid trying to get some attention. I am very sorry to say that.
    No because it only makes it harder for the people who follow the law to get guns
    No. Virginia Tech already has a gun free campus rule. No matter if more laws are enacted, if a person wants to commit mayhem, another law will not stop them,
    What could be stricter than the fact that the shooter was on a Visa that did not allow him to buy or own firearms????





    If he had killed 33 people with a knife, would you be calling for stricter knife control laws??


    Would there be a 7 day waiting period for me to buy silverware??





    As long as there are psychopaths/sociopaths --- there will be ways for them to kill people.
    Nope. People who want what they can't have usually get what they want.
    no
    No, I don't think so. Psychopaths don't care about the law. They will do anything they can to accomplish their goal because they have nothing to lose. Gun control laws wouldn't stop them, just like laws against drugs don't stop potheads.
    Not at all....people who want to kill people are going to get them no matter what. Why make it harder for people who choose to buy them legally for protection? In fact, if everyone was carrying one maybe it wouldn't be so easy to murder people. I guarantee yesterday wouldn't have had as many deaths if everyone had a gun on them. All the killers would know they were going to an even fighting ground and may think twice. Just a thought that popped into my head this morning when listening to arguements on control on the radio.
    I don't know. I think if somebody really wants something whether it's legal or not they will find ways to obtain it.
    No. Illegal or not, people get their hands on the things they really want. If the guy hadn't gotten a gun, he would have tried something else.
    Of course not.
    no the man was determined to take innocent lives if not a gun he would have used a bomb or something else...a gun sitting on the floor didnt kill my best friend kimmy, she did when she picked it up and pulled the trigger...guns dont kill people, people who pull the triggers do
    Can't really say so!


    They are going to get those weapons NO MATER WHAT!!!


    All the laws aren't going to stop a sick person from doing what they sought out do do in the first place!


    Maybe wrong here but just my opinion.





    Guns don't kill people! People kill people.


    Vice President D ick Cheney had accidentally shot a hunting companion.


    (Likely,only wounding him).


    Should we then band hunting and rifles?


    We need to look at the whole picture.





    Just my opinion.
    no there willl always be another way of obtaining them (black market)
    He would have lashed out in some other form. I'm sure he'd find a way to create a tragedy regardless...
    No I think that a nut will find a gun any way he can.
    no


    no it wouldnt


    guns were probably already banned from the dorm rooms (cuz that guy went to that school) but he had one anyways


    so no
    If the guy was a foreign exchange student, maybe. Asia has stricter gun control, and therefore someone coming from there is accustomed to having his right to bear arms restricted from him. Take that restriction away, then such a person is more likely not to know how to handle the liberties to which Americans are accustomed.





    But I think that if our gun control laws were stricter like, say, Canada, then we would have the busiest bomb squads in the world instead of Canada.





    I appreciate the role of individual morality in the everyday peace I enjoy, and I am not looking for government to render it obsolete, and slop up the credit for it by exerting a lot of new control.
    Yes.

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    Do you think stricter gun control laws would have prevents the Virginia Tech tragedy?

    No. What could have helped prevent it is if VT allowed licensed concealed carry on campus. School regulations ensured that nobody on campus had the means to fight back.Do you think stricter gun control laws would have prevents the Virginia Tech tragedy?
    No. This young man was a legal citizen over the age of 21 without a record. He bought the gun over a month ago, so even when you factor in proposed wait times to purchase firearms he would have had plenty of time. Realistically I can't think of any other laws that could be created to curb this sort of incident.Do you think stricter gun control laws would have prevents the Virginia Tech tragedy?
    You give a disturbed person with a desire to kill long enough and he will find a way. What if the law limited how many rounds you can buy? He can stockpile. What if the law outlawed guns? Drugs are outlawed and how hard are they to find. Stricter gun laws may help slow down crimes of passion, but will not stop a determined killer with a plan.
    Maybe not...any sicko can come by a gun. Hey just drive on down to FLA...everyone there owns a gun %26amp; carries it, though I'm pretty sure it's not suppose be loaded. But then again who's checkin
    No. Profiling the troubled student with his violent anti-American writings would have. Or if the campus cops had guns as well. I said the same thing after the Columbine shooting. If someone else had a gun and used it the body count would not have been as high.
    would have to be courthouse strict...


    %26amp; we both know , nothing is 100 %...except...?


    you know that answer...
    no. cause he was determined to kill people. he would of gotten some guns some other way.
    maybe.... Do you have to give a reason for your buying a gun? And is there a waiting period. I think if there isn't there should be so that random hate crimes wouldn't happen as often. like oh im mad ill buy a gun and shoot you. I'm sorry sir you have to wait 3 days. oh. 3 days l8r...im calm now!
    thats okay I do that to sometimes, yes that place should of never sold that boy a gun, for what reason they did they were wrong. but they should have stricker gun controls. pretty soon we are all going to be afraid for our children when they are at school.
    tired of hearing about it
    No Guns don't kill people kill..
    No, just like I don't think stricter drug laws would prevent drug use, or outlawing knives would prevent stabbings. There are so many gun laws currently in place, and most crimes involving guns break the laws that are already in existence.





    Also, guns are just as accessible illegally as they are legally. If people are willing to break other laws (like committing murder), what makes you think that they aren't willing to buy a gun on the street and not in a store? The only people that gun control laws restrict are the ones already obeying the law.





    This was a tragic event inflicted by a deranged and disturbed individual who fantasized about violence incessantly. This man wasn't concerned with and wouldn't have been stopped by gun control laws, just like he wasn't concerned with laws against killing. It looks like it was a matter of time before he found a way to kill, no matter what that way would have been.
    I don't honestly think anything could have prevented that. It was just a matter of a sad, lonely, kid trying to get some attention. I am very sorry to say that.
    No because it only makes it harder for the people who follow the law to get guns
    No. Virginia Tech already has a gun free campus rule. No matter if more laws are enacted, if a person wants to commit mayhem, another law will not stop them,
    What could be stricter than the fact that the shooter was on a Visa that did not allow him to buy or own firearms????





    If he had killed 33 people with a knife, would you be calling for stricter knife control laws??


    Would there be a 7 day waiting period for me to buy silverware??





    As long as there are psychopaths/sociopaths --- there will be ways for them to kill people.
    Nope. People who want what they can't have usually get what they want.
    no
    No, I don't think so. Psychopaths don't care about the law. They will do anything they can to accomplish their goal because they have nothing to lose. Gun control laws wouldn't stop them, just like laws against drugs don't stop potheads.
    Not at all....people who want to kill people are going to get them no matter what. Why make it harder for people who choose to buy them legally for protection? In fact, if everyone was carrying one maybe it wouldn't be so easy to murder people. I guarantee yesterday wouldn't have had as many deaths if everyone had a gun on them. All the killers would know they were going to an even fighting ground and may think twice. Just a thought that popped into my head this morning when listening to arguements on control on the radio.
    I don't know. I think if somebody really wants something whether it's legal or not they will find ways to obtain it.
    No. Illegal or not, people get their hands on the things they really want. If the guy hadn't gotten a gun, he would have tried something else.
    Of course not.
    no the man was determined to take innocent lives if not a gun he would have used a bomb or something else...a gun sitting on the floor didnt kill my best friend kimmy, she did when she picked it up and pulled the trigger...guns dont kill people, people who pull the triggers do
    Can't really say so!


    They are going to get those weapons NO MATER WHAT!!!


    All the laws aren't going to stop a sick person from doing what they sought out do do in the first place!


    Maybe wrong here but just my opinion.





    Guns don't kill people! People kill people.


    Vice President D ick Cheney had accidentally shot a hunting companion.


    (Likely,only wounding him).


    Should we then band hunting and rifles?


    We need to look at the whole picture.





    Just my opinion.
    no there willl always be another way of obtaining them (black market)
    He would have lashed out in some other form. I'm sure he'd find a way to create a tragedy regardless...
    No I think that a nut will find a gun any way he can.
    no


    no it wouldnt


    guns were probably already banned from the dorm rooms (cuz that guy went to that school) but he had one anyways


    so no
    If the guy was a foreign exchange student, maybe. Asia has stricter gun control, and therefore someone coming from there is accustomed to having his right to bear arms restricted from him. Take that restriction away, then such a person is more likely not to know how to handle the liberties to which Americans are accustomed.





    But I think that if our gun control laws were stricter like, say, Canada, then we would have the busiest bomb squads in the world instead of Canada.





    I appreciate the role of individual morality in the everyday peace I enjoy, and I am not looking for government to render it obsolete, and slop up the credit for it by exerting a lot of new control.
    Yes.

    Iam an intrumentation &control engineering want to do m.tech,pls suggest in which subjects can i do masters ?

    iam interested in chemical, oil %26amp;gas sector, biomedical also %26amp; last nanotechnology , automation %26amp;control.Iam an intrumentation %26amp;control engineering want to do m.tech,pls suggest in which subjects can i do masters ?
    Control is good feild